chutes or Resistance trainers?

[Krewsader]

Originally Posted by H4yd3n

Well, steroids give you a microscopic penis. Don't know about testosterone pills.

(woot epic 1,000th post)

Roids just destory you period. I'd never take soemthing that would cause more harm then good, thats why I asked about testosterone since it's a normal steriod produced in the body and all im doing is adding more- alot more of it, and incase any one wants to know it increases muscle strength and mass, increased bone density and strength, and stimulates linear growth and bone maturation.

[H4yd3n]

Originally Posted by Krewsader

Roids just destory you period. I'd never take soemthing that would cause more harm then good, thats why I asked about testosterone since it's a normal steriod produced in the body and all im doing is adding more- alot more of it, and incase any one wants to know it increases muscle strength and mass, increased bone density and strength, and stimulates linear growth and bone maturation.

Yeah, I know it destroys you completely, but the penis part is the part that scares me.

I already have too much testosterone to begin with.

[Krewsader]

Originally Posted by H4yd3n

Yeah, I know it destroys you completely, but the penis part is the part that scares me.

I already have too much testosterone to begin with.

Hahaha my friend said he was thinking of roiding and just using Exstenze or one of the 1000 penis enlargment supplements out their to cancel out that bad effect of the roids. But it would probly have some adverse affect somehow.

[Ashen]

What do you think roids are?

[Krewsader]

IDK I just thought they were less harmful.. I wasn't planing on trying them anyways till i asked my docter before next season.

[BigNastyPSU]

No offense Krew, but Extense will not affect the side effects of steroids. And some steroids don't have any side effects. No they won't make your businessman smaller, but his briefcase, yes because they naturally create the test and since you are overloading your body with it, they aren't needed and they shrink.

The major side effect you have to worry about is something called gynocomastia (bitch tits). This happens when you get an overabundance of test in your system and it aromatizes into estrogen. If you are thinking about one of the oral based steroid PRECURSERS available at places like GNC (Superdrol and the like) you can run into liver problems, because unlike injectible steroids, the oral stuff is metabolized in the liver.

Your best bet, if you are considering this is to go with the real stuff from a reputable seller (and no this is not me suggesting or telling you how to procure illegal substances) and get tamoxifen(Nolvadex) for the anti-estrogen (available only as a prescription or from a knowledgeable dealer).

Another issue with steroids is that once you go off the cycle you tend to lose the weight you gained and sometimes your body will not start producing test again on its own. This is why you should be at least 21 (so you are definitely done developing) and you need a strong post cycle regimen that includes things similar to Extense, but much stronger and typically synthetic (extense is made up of herbs and shit you can buy much cheaper individually).

Just a little suggestion. Feel free to ask me any questions.

[H4yd3n]

Originally Posted by BigNastyPSU

No offense Krew, but Extense will not affect the side effects of steroids. And some steroids don't have any side effects. No they won't make your businessman smaller, but his briefcase, yes because they naturally create the test and since you are overloading your body with it, they aren't needed and they shrink.

The major side effect you have to worry about is something called gynocomastia (bitch tits). This happens when you get an overabundance of test in your system and it aromatizes into estrogen. If you are thinking about one of the oral based steroid PRECURSERS available at places like GNC (Superdrol and the like) you can run into liver problems, because unlike injectible steroids, the oral stuff is metabolized in the liver.

Your best bet, if you are considering this is to go with the real stuff from a reputable seller (and no this is not me suggesting or telling you how to procure illegal substances) and get tamoxifen(Nolvadex) for the anti-estrogen (available only as a prescription or from a knowledgeable dealer).

Another issue with steroids is that once you go off the cycle you tend to lose the weight you gained and sometimes your body will not start producing test again on its own. This is why you should be at least 21 (so you are definitely done developing) and you need a strong post cycle regimen that includes things similar to Extense, but much stronger and typically synthetic (extense is made up of herbs and shit you can buy much cheaper individually).

Just a little suggestion. Feel free to ask me any questions.

I lol'd.

[Ashen]

Wow. (sorry, I didn'y lol)
I was going to not involve myself in this. But BigNasty is right and sadly these things are only for the desperate non-performer or the has-been.
Ask your doctor before you waster your money on anything or buy something that will screw your system up.

[H4yd3n]

What is the point in taking testosterone pills or roids anyway?

[BigNastyPSU]

For some people its a genetics issue. In college I was an amateur bodybuilder. Just to give you an idea of how I am built, imaging a tall gorilla. I'm 6'3" but have the arm length and inseam of somebody who is 6'6-6'7" (short torso comparatively) have a huge chest (or rather did) and broad shoulders. The closest person I can think of is Jaws from James Bond. Even when I was 280+ pounds and working out constantly, despite being able to curl 100 pound dumbbells on each arm like they were nothing, my arms never got above 20".

Now I never got to the point that I wanted to do real steroids, but I did mess with some of the prohormones while I was cutting down from 12% BF (for an example, to start seeing your abs you need <10% BF typically, don't believe people who say they have like 3% bodyfat, its not humanly possible without making yourself sick, you need at least 5% to cushion your organs properly). It helped me to keep muscle. I took Andro way before Mark McGuire made it famous and I responded well to it. But I also took supplements to protect my liver, lower my blood pressure, protect against estrogen-conversion, and reupp my natural test production after the cycle.

If done right steroids can be a good thing. And safe. But much of the problem is the safest steroids are illegal and so are the other substances you take to stave off the side effects. Ironically, ts the dangerous ones that are legal. Andro, now illegal, is a ton safer than the Superdrol and other crap out there. I have bottles of Superdrol in my pantry that I spent nice $$ on and have never opened them because I know how dangerous they can be even with all the right precautions.

[KnifeHeavy]

Originally Posted by Ashen

What do you think roids are?

MLB flinstone chewables?

[Panchovillaa]

flinstones chewables made real medicine taste like funnel cake draped in cotton candy

[Ashen]

Originally Posted by BigNastyPSU

For some people its a genetics issue. In college I was an amateur bodybuilder. Just to give you an idea of how I am built, imaging a tall gorilla. I'm 6'3" but have the arm length and inseam of somebody who is 6'6-6'7" (short torso comparatively) have a huge chest (or rather did) and broad shoulders. The closest person I can think of is Jaws from James Bond. Even when I was 280+ pounds and working out constantly, despite being able to curl 100 pound dumbbells on each arm like they were nothing, my arms never got above 20".

Now I never got to the point that I wanted to do real steroids, but I did mess with some of the prohormones while I was cutting down from 12% BF (for an example, to start seeing your abs you need <10% BF typically, don't believe people who say they have like 3% bodyfat, its not humanly possible without making yourself sick, you need at least 5% to cushion your organs properly). It helped me to keep muscle. I took Andro way before Mark McGuire made it famous and I responded well to it. But I also took supplements to protect my liver, lower my blood pressure, protect against estrogen-conversion, and reupp my natural test production after the cycle.

If done right steroids can be a good thing. And safe. But much of the problem is the safest steroids are illegal and so are the other substances you take to stave off the side effects. Ironically, ts the dangerous ones that are legal. Andro, now illegal, is a ton safer than the Superdrol and other crap out there. I have bottles of Superdrol in my pantry that I spent nice $$ on and have never opened them because I know how dangerous they can be even with all the right precautions.

I can relate to this. While I was in the USAF my roommate was a body builder and Mr. Jr. South Dakota. We worked out hard together. He had a doctor friend who provided him with low strength steroids (don't remember the name) to help regain his lost mass while we were in basic. Even in those doses I saw the side effects. Sure his size increased fast (stretch marks!), but the acne, flushed face, and temper to me were not a healthy sign.

Big Nasty has been lucky to not suffer any major long term side effects. Many people are not so lucky.

However, they do have their benefits. Some people use them to recover from major injuries or illnesses. One of my best friend's son has Cystic Fibrosis and has to take mild steroids for his lungs. His son would be bed ridden most of the time if not for these medicines.

[BigNastyPSU]

Yeah I didn't take them long enough. I got the stretch marks on my own though. I am not a hardgainer by any means. When I was in college I would be eating 8000-10000 calories a day just to maintain my weight. My doctor was more concerned (and rightfully so) with the level of protein I took and how it could make my kidneys work overtime.

[Krewsader]

I think I may just play it safe and jsut work out more then I am. Figure less things can go wrong. But thank you so much for the help and advice, later depending on how im doing I may have questions but as of now you have answered every thing I thought of.